Really appreciate the insight. completely my opinion, but i definitely think disgaea 4 is better, and it isnt too far off from 5 gameplay wise. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. In this case, it's basically how their Personality goes vs how the Characters appear like in 5. If you're looking for a game that you can grind for over 200+ hours to break the game, then D5 is what you're looking for. In some ways, 5's cast was treated a bit tooo seriously in my opinion. Anyway. Mugen Keitai Disgaea; Prinny: Can I Really Be the Hero? I would say yes, Disgaea 4 is pretty far ahead of 5 in terms of characters. This is the first Disgaea game on a Nintendo system since Disgaea … Disgaea 4 Complete+ is the third release of this game after it debuted on PS3 and then was released on PS Vita with a ton of extras and enhancements. In Disgaea 5, players lead Killia and his tenacious army of rebels on their dark and dangerous path to vengeance. Darn it group projects) I’ve heard that Disgaea 5 has the gameplay of 4…but better. 3 is my Least played but I prefer it to 4 or 1. Disgaea 1 and Disgaea 4 are the two best entries in the series imo. In any case, they are both amazing games and if you have the time to devote, definitely play both of them. D5 is no different. Helpful (0) Unhelpful (0) Report. Disgaea 4 seems to have a lot more diverse cast of characters (The girl penguin delinquent, LeLouchian vampire MC etc. His initial Evility Medical Heal cures ailments of targets that are being healed. If OP is looking for an amazing story with incredible characters, the Disgaea series is probably not going to be that fun for you. As someone new to the series, I loved the hell out of 5 and logged way too many hours. If it feels newer to you play 5. Hey Climhazard! (characters portraits have more movement, something they got rid of in 5) Would you say that Disgaea 5 has less of a focus on story than 4? I would actually say that 5 has one of the more serious stories out of all the games but every one of them mixes humor into the story. I don't find the characters in D5 to be bad at all, and the dynamic between them as well as the little side convos you can have in the pocket netherworld add a lot of personality and fun banter. and better humor. (Typical shounen story…but with curry) It looks like it lacks the quality of humor the rest of the series has. Disgaea 4: A Promise Unforgotten (魔界戦記ディスガイア4, Makai Senki Disugaia Fō) is a 2011 tactical role-playing video game for the PlayStation 3 and the fourth in the Disgaea series by Nippon Ichi Software.The game tells the story of Valvatorez, a former tyrant leading a party to rebel against the president of the Netherworld. Sometimes not. Disgaea 5 Complete on Switch is a fun game with a LOT of added content. Would you suggest to play trough the story of 4, ignore the end game grind/post-game and then play trough Disgaea 5? – Concrete Knowledge) End-Game. One shot last boss with your level 500 hero. Disgaea 5. Also curry is a plot point for one character and I'm not sure why you think it's a huge focus of the story, it's not. Niche opinion: My disgaea playstyle is to STEAL ALL THE THINGS and try to complete the weapon / armor encyclopedia thing. Love them on ps3, and so glad they have continued the series. This game can offer you dozens of hours of play easily in one of the best games the series has to offer. Hi there Ha_eflolli! I skipped pretty much every single cutscene in D5 after the first couple stages. Final Boss – Mission Improbable) Chapter 9. Nice to hear I have the wrong impression on Disgaea 5 & 4. We're introduced to our hero, who wants nothing to do with being a hero. Good to hear Disgaea 5 has more humor than meets the eye! But, well, that's only scratching their surface. I'd say in some respect the story is more "anime", with mysterious pasts and whatevs, but the game still doesn't take itself seriously and there are lots of silly moments etc. To ride of the top comment (or near top comment), there's a mold for disgaea characters and stories. Member. Characters. I went back and tried 4 but it just didn’t pull me in. I've played all the games and of those two, D5 for gameplay, D4 for story. Some are more likeable than others (I liked 4's cast a lot). I would recommend this to a friend. Does Disgaea 5 have more low-effort/cliché characters than Disgaea 4? Anyway, in extension of that (while going back to 5), the important part to consider is Story and Character Development. Just as an example: If you only know Killia and Seraphina from Ch.1, you might aswell call D5 a lame rehash of Disgaea 2 (Pugilist + Gunslinger Princess vs. Super-OP Overlord out of Revenge). The next entry in the long-lived Disgaea series, Disgaea 5: Alliance of Vengeance will be arriving in North America and Europe in the fall of 2015, exclusively for the PlayStation®4! A priest that punishes himself for healing others around them, and he is a male priest that is often mistaken as a girl due to his looks. Am I wrong in assuming that 4 is more about using whack personalities and putting them in different situations, while 5 is more like a traditional JRPG story in that the characters start out cliché, but show a lot more depth over time? Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. For Disgaea 5: Alliance of Vengeance on the PlayStation 4, Guide and Walkthrough by Draken70. All Discussions Screenshots Artwork Broadcasts Videos News Guides Reviews. Or was it a case of a little quality dip being enough reason to only focus on gameplay from that point forward? ), There is one rather important fact that you shouldn't forget though: While the Characters in 4 might appear more diverse, they too stick to one "gimmick" for quite a while such as Fuka's "It's all a Dream" Denial, or Val going on a Tangent about Sardines. Let's Play Disgaea 5: Alliance of Vengeance Part 67 - Sinful Fortress, … But that's the only difference I know.thanks! Warriors are an occupation of demons who are accepted by the God of War, Grandall, and are highly skilled in combat. The antagonist and their lackies are introduced. You mention that you prefer the characters of 4, but it only took a couple of cutscenes of 5 to get fed up with the story and skip it all. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. In terms of humor and seriousness I tend to agree too; Disgaea 5 has trouble balancing out the two and tends to dive into one pool or the other while the previous games mix it better. Training Mt. Alliance of Vengeance; Disgaea 5 Complete; Disgaea 6. And D4 is not too far away from D5 mechanics wise. If you only want to pick one, then D5 is the way to go. (if only I had the time these weeks. Almost every main character in the series is a cliche and maybe you just like some cliches more than others. While there's definitely a tendency for them to fall into their gimmick, the cast tends to stand out a bit stronger compared to 5 where instead everyone is a fairly stereotypical anime-like character going through a stereotypical anime arc. Disgaea Infinite; Disgaea D2: A Brighter Darkness; Prinny 1•2: Exploded and Reloaded; Lore. That seems.... counter-productive to me. Thanks for the reply FZeroRacer! Good to hear that at least one side-character develops over time in a meaningful way! 5-2 (Episode 5: The Angel of Avarice – Lost Dignity) 5-4 (Episode 5: The Angel of Avarice – Ruin Coaster) Chapter 8. Disgaea 5 Complete. 4 has the best characters and decent quality of life updates. I was so hyped for D4 to finally come out on a platform where I could play it, but it's been such a let down that I've actually logged more hours in Fire Emblem than D4 since the D4 release. Thank you, I can't imagine the story in either is going to do anything for me lol. D5 essentially is an upgrade on the D4 experience. 5 is just okay. I honestly found them both pretty similar. My answer: 5C for gameplay alone. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Disgaea 5: Alliance of Vengeance (魔界戦記ディスガイア5, Makai Senki Disugaia 5) is a 2015 tactical role-playing video game developed and published by Nippon Ichi Software, and part of the Disgaea series. I don't quite get your line of thought here. I haven't gotten far into 4, but I'm missing a lot of the features from 5 and the graphics of 5 is leagues ahead of 4. Any thoughts? Oh and Disgaea 5 characters seem more cliché/tropey whack jobs while Disgaea 4 has more non-standard whack jobs. While there's definitely a tendency for them to fall into their gimmick, the cast tends to stand out a bit stronger compared to 5 where instead everyone is a fairly stereotypical anime-like character going through a stereotypical anime arc. I honestly can't understand how you think the Disgaea 5 characters are cliche but the Disgaea 4 characters aren't. Hey Disgaea community! Forget about the main story. Prinny 2: Dawn of Operation Panties, Dood! I would say go with 5. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. If you're only thinking about gameplay, go D5. D5 has more ways to grind. I'm wondering whether to get Disgaea 5 or 4, as I can only get one of them for now. I’d play 5. That was one of the reasons why I couldn't stand playing through the story in D5. Great to hear that every installment gets better! I went back to it recently and I'd forgotten (for one thing) how much better the menu/list management was, even when compared to 4C+. I have yet to dive into D5’s postgame and I haven’t purchased the dlc yet.What I have seen and can speculate on though, is that Disgaea 4 has far more content. And if you don't like the Characters early on, what's telling you the way the Story goes doesn't change your Opinion? A sub-reddit dedicated to the video game and anime series Makai Senki Disgaea, Phantom Brave, and Makai Kingdom universes. I’ve also heard that the dialogue scenes of Disgaea 4 have more effort put into them. But it's up to you. It has the first set of QoL improvements that make the older games feel noticeably dated, such as the option to throw diagonally, move, then move another char, then move with the first one again, the ability to buy new generics at a high level (instead of lv 1), etc. I also thought that some of the quality of life changes in 5 made it into 4. I read somewhere that the curry was the focus of a entire chapter, so that seemed odd in a game that seems to have the most serious Disgaea story. 5 has the worst story and characters with the best quality of life updates. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Do only some characters show development , or do they all get ‘their day in the spotlight’? The game includes all 8 bonus scenarios, 4 fan-favorite characters, and 3 character classes that were originally DLC in the PlayStation®4 release of Disgaea 5: Alliance of Vengeance. Did you find it really bad, so much so that all the goodwill from 4 was instantly gone? If you don't like the Story, why bother to keep playing the Game? There are several types of special skills: Magic, Weapon specific skills, Unique skills, Job skills, Monster skills, Magichange skills, Dual Magichange skills, and Combo skills. If you want IMO the best character ensemble in the series, go D4. level 2 The farther you go, the more unique it becomes. woohoo! There are all of these backstories and other wacky side stories for the various main characters in the postgame. 4 has the best characters and decent quality of life updates. Am I wrong in thinking this? Disgaea 5: Alliance of Vengeance is the franchise's first foray on the PlayStation 4, with promises of it being the largest adventure yet. Oct 27, 2017 15,598. He is not just good with Staves, he is also good with Spears as well. Though the company has d… Press J to jump to the feed. There are better jRPGs out there story-wise. But if you want to help NIS financially buy Disgaea 4 because that's the more recent release. I will always go 4 since the I love the characters. I played Disgaea 1 way back on the PS2 and loved it. Stuff gets more serious. I agree with you to a point, the D4 cast has a lot going for them, but I don't think D5 is quite cliche. This title will be available as both a physical and digital release. Turn down difficulty. But that's what I love about the games. Comment. D5 is better than D4 gameplay-wise. End game and all? Actually Disgaea 2 and 5 are the best in the series, 4 is superfluous and its story is boring AF, Disgaea 1 is okay, Disgaea 2's story is soooo much better (Maybe the best in the series). Most characters learn special skills by reaching a certain level, or I'm playing both right now, and honestly I feel "closer" to the D5 cast than D4, they kinda feel less like caricatures maybe, altho I haven't gotten super far in either. Of course I’ve never bought a Disgaea game before, so I only have a lot of assumptions. I just didn't like any of the characters at all. The gameplay makes up for the lackluster story and characters, and every part of the game is much more streamlined than previous additions. They are responsible for such titles as Disgaea: Hour of Darkness and its sequels, Phantom Brave, La Pucelle: Tactics, and Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure. I will be recording a complete playthrough of this game, and this is the intro. Disgaea 5 is the one where preorders for the Switch version outsold the sales of the PS4 version up until that point. Apr 8, 2018 @ 5:44pm PC vs Switch vs PS4 So what are the benefits of getting this on PC vs console? Honestly only the first disgaea had characters that weren't cliche. From what I've gathered, 5 apparently has a better post game, but 4 has better characters in story? Red magnus destroys my will to play the damn game. Comparison of Disgaea 5 Complete vs Disgaea 4 Complete+: Disgaea 4 Complete+ is an extended & upgraded version of Disgaea 4 which is a tactical role playing game. As with every new generation, they add or modify mechanics and in my opinion, each one gets better and better. I’m interested in buying Disgaea 5 for the Switch because it probably has the best gameplay. not too concerned about buying a local copy if there isn't a difference :P,I bought it Japan e-shop, couldn't wait (EU here). I'm gonna mull on which one to get. Disgaea 6 (1.5GB) vs. Disgaea 5 Complete (7.6GB) Well there's one big benefit to going with 3D models; no worry of so many HD sprites and animations taking up so much space! But you might be right that it’s just personal preference speaking here. The Disgaeaseries is the most popular Nippon Ichi franchise, and it also expanded to have spin-off titles as well as an anime series based on the first game. Disgaea 4 primarily follows the story of Valvatorez, a sardine-obsessed vampire who finds himself working a shoddy netherworld job as a Prinny instructor following his renouncement of drinking blood. Even tho D4C has some quality of life changes - D5 is still leagues ahead when it comes to menus, general look and feel, etc. If you plan on eventually playing both, I'd say start out with 4 since all the extra features will feel way better than Disgaea 1, but since you wouldn't have played D5 you wouldn't know what you're missing out on. Just seems to me like you're judging a book by it's cover and that's the last thing you want to do with Disgaea. A sub-reddit dedicated to the video game and anime series Makai Senki Disgaea, Phantom Brave, and Makai Kingdom universes. Verified Purchase. :P So at least it's super-friendly to your micro SD card (or internal) space. It's qol changes make it comparable to 5 gameplay wise and the superior cast of characters made me actually want to continue into the post game. Content wise, I think Disgaea 5 took a major step back. Gave me the impression that it would become a ‘stop the big bad because he killed my flashback girl…well after I ate this curry… and get this mcguffin etc.’, which seems a lot less fun than...well politics with sardines. Which I seem to be completely mistaken in. It's kind of like saying that Disgaea 4's story is politics...but with sardines. The Complete Disgaea 5 Experience: Enjoy the full Disgaea 5 story along with 8 bonus scenarios featuring 7 fan-favorite characters and classes from past Disgaeas. AndroidAly. You unlock cool game mechanics (hunter squad and innocent farm in act 7 or 9?). Disgaea 5 Complete is an early and substantial release for strategy / tactical gamers, and is also the most 'Disgaea' game many will have played. Disgaea 1 basically got cliched in Hindsight, in my opinion. Or any comparison between the two that would help me decide? The cast beats them up. Includes quality-of-life features that may seem familiar to those who have played Disgaea 5, such as the Cheat Shop, Event Viewer, Weapon Appearance, Innocent Warehouse, and Pay Up system to bribe Senators to change their votes in the assembly. Warriors wear light gear to enhance mobility, and they have the ability to harden their bodies. Absolutely not my game. 9-4 (Episode 9: The Moon, Earth, and the Promise! Product information ASIN B00RUZPKYY Release date October 6, 2015 Customer Reviews: 4.6 out of 5 stars 193 ratings. If you feel relatively familiar with the series still then get 4. Would you say that Disgaea 4 and 5 have pretty much the same amount of story and character development? Like, seriously. Today Disgaea 5 releases on Nintendo Switch along with all the DLC as Disgaea 5 Complete. Filled with more over-the-top action and hilarious writing than ever before, Disgaea 5… Strings. Includes Peta-level spells and Job-specific Skills from Disgaea 4: A Promise Revisited. I would say yes, Disgaea 4 is pretty far ahead of 5 in terms of characters. Disgaea 5 Alliance of Vengeance is rated 4.7 out of 5 by 35. I also don't get why you say that D5 has a "weird humor/seriousness combo" when every game in the series has that. Lavabro has a good story arc that redefines his character in the middle of the game. Wow, thanks for the opinions everyone! Filled with more over-the-top action and hilarious writing than ever before, Disgaea 5's damage numbers are surely headed for the record books. The stealing mechanic is totally nerfed in 4 and I've only logged about 40 hours in it so far, compared to 350+ for D5. 4.6 out of 5 stars It seems they're not even bothering with a PC version anymore after the utter catastrophe that was Disgaea 5 "Complete". GrandLumen. You can't go wrong with either, but D5 is probably better if you're only going to pick one game while the grind in D4 is more traditional. It explains all the systems way better, and does a better job of dripfeeding you new stuff at a better pace. I actually found the stories considerably similar (like there's different goals and such, but... there's definitely striking similarities) and did prefer the cast of 4 slightly to 5, but 5 is far more fun to play, game mechanics wise. It depends on what ur looking for. Thank you for the reply! Well, dood, does bigger equate to better? I might take you up on your play both suggestion. Disgaea 4 seems to have a lot more diverse cast of characters (The girl penguin delinquent, LeLouchian vampire MC etc.) Defiance of Destiny; Other Games. I also didn’t think the story was better like others say. Stuff happens. I know that there has been a few threads talking about this already, but I was maybe hoping to get some second opinions now that 4 complete + has been around for a few months. ‘Disgaea 4's story is politics...but with sardines.’ Is exactly the impression I had of Disgaea’s 4 story, so you got me there haha. I stopped playing D5 and went back to D4 just because of how bad the story is in D5. 8-7( Episode 8: Battle! I've only ever played 4 and 5, but I much preferred the characters in 4. Especially in a Series that plays with typical Fiction-Conventions like Disgaea. Hero is forced to act heroish. Hi adescuentechable! If at all. However the game seems to have… kinda cliché characters (devil kirito with a tragic past, lavabro, the two loli characters) and a weird humor/seriousness combo. But it's up to you. Nippon Ichi is a Japanese video game developer and publisher. Beside normal attacks, special skills are another way to deal damage in Disgaea 5. Chapter 5. Dec 24, 2020 #44 It's just unbelievably dumb to have a PS4/5 version at all when you're not going to release it in the West. Sometimes they join Team Hero. You mention ‘how their Personality goes vs how the Characters appear like in 5’. Seriously after Disgaea 1, the scripts have been going downhill generally. More recently, particularly through their North American branch, NIS America, they have also published anime titles. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Disgaea 4 Complete+ announced For PS4 and Switch. From what I've gathered, 5 apparently has a better post game, but 4 has better characters in story? I've mentioned it in a few other comments, but basically I would say 5 far and away has the better fun factor compared to 4. The party is formed over the first couple acts. I also find it more addicting, and while the cast/story isn't as good as D4 I think the difference is waaaaaay overstated. For me 4 was okay until the last chapters where it pretty much just s*** the bed. The complete+ edition includes all the DLC, & the graphics & audio is enhanced too. Rated 5 out of 5 by Anonymous from Great series Loved these gsmes on ps2. Hijinks ensue. Maxing stats, collecting innocents and other post game content is significantly easier in this game. The characters in D5 evolve over time. Disgaea 5 Complete > General Discussions > Topic Details. I think the way 5 plays is just so much better. 5 has the worst story and characters with the best quality of life updates. AndroidAly. Thank you for the reply & your time! Final Boss vs. Disgaea 5 Complete is a strategy RPG that offers hundreds of hours of over-the-top, award-winning gameplay. The gameplay is just so much better and in my opinion the story is much better. If you want to do both, then by all means go 4 -> 5 because going in the reverse has been difficult for me. I will always go 4 since the I love the characters. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. Main article: Male Healer The Clergy is a class from Disgaea 5: Alliance of Vengeance. I’ve never played a Disgaea game before, but I’m already loving the humor and non-serious tone the series seems to have. I also haven't gotten a switch game in a while, and I'm really craving that tactics RPG itch, haha. Instead of trying to be super original all the time they take absurd characters and run with them. As in, the Characters get mostly reduced to one notable Trait (like Laharl's "It's all about me" Attitude, whereas atleast in D1 he has some form of justification/motivation), though you could almost say that about every N1 Character past their own Game. As old and cliched in itself the saying is, you really can't judge a Book by its Cover here. Time to actually do the post-game stuff! 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